2022/2023 germinations and off-types

[Toomanymatoes]

I grew Prue from the MMMM 2021 swap this year. I believe it is supposed to be a red paste/oxheart type of tomato. The fruits are oxheart in shape but have green/orange(?) stripes. I don't think it was a seed mix up as I don't have anything growing that resembles that. Tastes good though. Once I get a better fruit I will try and post a picture.

[karrr]

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Kozula37
I sent in some seeds of Kozula 37 but I think they are off type because mine are red skinned and more of a heart shape then the images I found online, which look like flattened beefsteaks. Mine have red skin and pink interior and they ripen with some striping which turn to completely red sometimes. I really loved how strong, vigorous and productive and yum my plant was last year and I saved a few cuttings before pulling the plant. 2 survived, so I have the identical plant and saving some seeds from every tomato I cut open. Let me know if anyone tried to grow them (if Garry sent them out of course) and what happened. Also maybe I don’t know what I am talking about in terms of hearts and beefsteaks differences.

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[WoodSprite]

I did three separate sowings (12, 12 & 38 seeds) of 'Petite Pois Procoville' shell peas and none germinated. A different pea variety that I grew next to it and others in other beds germinated just fine. This packet had a label made from a fluorescent green index card and marked '21.

[Tormato]

I did three separate sowings (12, 12 & 38 seeds) of 'Petite Pois Procoville' shell peas and none germinated. A different pea variety that I grew next to it and others in other beds germinated just fine. This packet had a label made from a fluorescent green index card and marked '21.

My repacking of a large pack of commercial seeds. They were labeled 2022, most likely harvested in 2021. I've had quite a few commercial pea seeds with either no germination, or extremely poor germination, in the past several years.

[rxkeith]

i am finding a few white carrots in the garden amongst the carrot carpet patch.
carrot:carrot hybrid or carrot queen annes lace hybrid.
the first one i pulled i left on the ground as i was working in the garden.
curiosity got the better of me, and i thought maybe i should try it, see how it tastes.
flavor was actually pretty good. it was sweet, and had a very defined inner, and outer core.
a couple others had a nantes type solid core. flavor was good.
so, if anyone growing my seeds finds some white carrots, they are ok to eat. at least mine were.


keith

[WoodSprite]

Lazy Wife pole bean seeds that got in the swap are either crossed seeds or mislabeled. They should produce longer flat stringless green pods. I got short (~4") round green pods w/ strings. Seeds were marked as from '20. Should I say who supplied them? Not to point fingers but so we all know?

Here's a photo though the white balance is off so photo looks more pink than in real life.

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Other pole beans:
Seychelles ('21) did not germinate x6 seeds.

Blue Coco ('22), Blue Purple Pod (unknown year), Super Marconi ('22) and Uncle Steve Italian ('22) all germinated fine and appear to be true to type.

I enjoyed comparing them all. Thanks to those that shared them.

[karrr]

Blue of the night question
The plant labeled blue of the night is producing yellow orange piriform tomatoes. Is this correct? I didn’t plant anything yellow piriform so it must be the seeds. Does anyone have a clue? I couldn’t find any info online. From the 22 swap

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[Tormato]

Lazy Wife pole bean seeds that got in the swap are either crossed seeds or mislabeled. They should produce longer flat stringless green pods. I got short (~4") round green pods w/ strings. Seeds were marked as from '20. Should I say who supplied them? Not to point fingers but so we all know?

Here's a photo though the white balance is off so photo looks more pink than in real life.

P1090820-mislabeled Lazy Wife pole bean-resize.jpg


Other pole beans:
Seychelles ('21) did not germinate x6 seeds.

Blue Coco ('22), Blue Purple Pod (unknown year), Super Marconi ('22) and Uncle Steve Italian ('22) all germinated fine and appear to be true to type.

I enjoyed comparing them all. Thanks to those that shared them.

PM me Lazy Wife label info.

[WoodSprite]

Stocky Red Roaster pepper seeds labeled from '21 but received in the 22/23 MMMM is an off-type.

They are hot. Yes, I'm a light-weight when it comes to hot things so they may not be very hot to others, however, they are very hot to me. This variety isn't supposed to have any heat according to multiple websites that sell it. My fingers are still burning from chopping three for salsa. Other than the heat, they have excellent flavor and are producing gorgeous peppers so they are worth growing for those that like some heat.

When I have time to dig out the seed packets for the things I've reported, I'll take photos and PM you Tormato

[JayneR13]

I received some squash seed labeled Latino and Long White Palermo from the MMMM swap. I grew both and saved seed, and both plants were prolific and tasty. My saved seed had a 0% germination in two tries from both, and I think the garden gods were helping me out here. Since I wanted to grow both again, I hit the research trail and discovered two things.

1) Latino is a hybrid. It's good stuff but not the stuff of seed saving. https://territorialseed.com/products/sq ... mer-latino

2) The stuff labeled Long White Palermo looked a lot more like Mexican gray squash. The seed on Baker Creek labeled as LWP looks a lot different than what I grew.

This is what I grew, both Latino and "long white Palermo."

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Correctly labeled seed. The Costata Romanesco is an heirloom.

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Everyone makes mistakes, including me. These were vigorous plants whose fruits reside in my pantry and were yummy in my tummy. But jeez! It's nice when stuff is correctly labeled, and F1 hybrids don't usually produce the same plant. FYI

[MissTee]

Reporting some Off-types from the ‘21 and ‘22 MMMM:

Napa Chardonnay 2021 - Antho cherry. (Looks similar to Blue Boar Berries or Dancing with Smurfs). Prolific large bush.

Matt’s Wild Cherry 2020 - brownish-red with a dark shoulder. Currant-sized, but with an oblate shape.

Green Gables 2021 - had both PL/RL seedlings. PL was a true GWR. RL turned out to be a pink, round, medium-sized slicer.

Tasmanian Chocolate 2021 - Dark beefsteak (more purple than brown), but not a dwarf rugose plant. RL, indeterminate grew to about 5.5 ft.

Unsure if these were true. Didn’t seem right for fruit size:

Bycij Lob - pretty early and long lasting production of small red salad-sized globes. Short RL bush/det. Does not match description found:
Bytchiy Lob or Bichiy Lob ~Bull's Forehead (Rus.>Eng.) indeterminate midseason, indet. (1-1.5 m tall) plant with a high yield of red, beefsteak 300-700 g fruits, very good flavour, rather cold tolerant ... (Andrey’s 2007 Trade List, TV).

Dwarf Velvet Night 2019 - brownish-red fruit on dwarf plant, grown in a container. Larger than the listed cherry/cocktail — grew golf to tennis ball size. Reasonably productive, but later season.

If anyone is interested, I can send seeds to the MMMM Experimental category.
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[rxkeith]

wasn't sure what year swap i shoulda put this, but kotlas, not sure what year the seed was saved is regular leaf
instead of potato leaf, tomatoes are oblong little things either with a nipple or end that is somewhat squared off
with a belly button in the middle. other question is petrush ogorodnik. again might be older seeds it is described as
a saladette. the one i have growing looks torpedo shaped, and is larger than i what i would call a saladette tomato.
both are still green.



keith

[Tormato]

wasn't sure what year swap i shoulda put this, but kotlas, not sure what year the seed was saved is regular leaf
instead of potato leaf, tomatoes are oblong little things either with a nipple or end that is somewhat squared off
with a belly button in the middle. other question is petrush ogorodnik. again might be older seeds it is described as
a saladette. the one i have growing looks torpedo shaped, and is larger than i what i would call a saladette tomato.
both are still green.



keith

I think Kotlas was 2014 seed.

Meanwhile, The Monstah winter squash now has vines of 25 to 30 feet long.

[rxkeith]

i will have to start making note of what year the MMMM seeds are from when i plant them.
there are still several from 2014 i have not tried yet in addition to seeds from now multiple swaps.

WOW regarding the monstah. it must really like the east coast. my vines are only about 5 ft long.
weather in july and august were overall just too cool. way too far behind here. by all means save
seeds from the good ones. sweet fall may be one of the parents. that one went from light green to
a pinkish color. the monstah went from yellow to light orange. you could have a whole lotta squash
come fall.

i wonder how much it would cost to ship a 30 pounda?


keith

[Tormato]

i will have to start making note of what year the MMMM seeds are from when i plant them.
there are still several from 2014 i have not tried yet in addition to seeds from now multiple swaps.

WOW regarding the monstah. it must really like the east coast. my vines are only about 5 ft long.
weather in july and august were overall just too cool. way too far behind here. by all means save
seeds from the good ones. sweet fall may be one of the parents. that one went from light green to
a pinkish color. the monstah went from yellow to light orange. you could have a whole lotta squash
come fall.

i wonder how much it would cost to ship a 30 pounda?


keith

I'll be saving seeds from any that make it to harvest.

The Mottled Monstah (mottled leaves like a C. moschata) is pale yellow looking like it's going orange, The second vine has basically the same colored squash, leaves being solid green. Both have a greenish colored tip on the blossom end, more time is needed to see if the final tip colors will be the same or different. The 3rd vine has a light green squash, solid green leaves. The 4th vine, with solid green leaves, has a weird looking squash. It doesn't appear to be getting any larger. It started out light green. I'll report on the changing color later in the season.

I clipped off all(?) of the male blossoms on the solid green vines. So, I expected all squash to be pollinated by the Mottled Monstah. After each vine had a set squash, I let all male blossoms on all vines to remain. However, no other squash have set, yet. There are still a few female blossoms showing up, but it's getting late in the season.

[MissTee]

Germination/Not true-to-type Report for ‘24 growing season

Not True-to-Type:
Delano Green Ripe ‘21 - Large pink beefsteaks.

New Cheef ‘18 - Pink beefsteaks. (Supposed to be a smaller Big Cheef, a dark tomato.)

Skyreacher - Antho looking medium-sized beefsteak instead of red/yellow striped salad.

Unsure:
Appetitnyi - read it is supposed to be pink with slight ribbing. Got dark purple medium beefsteaks with green shoulders. Have read on Tville the dark version may be correct.

Mat-Su Express ‘22 - Small salad-size. Should be a medium-sized beefsteak? Think I read there’s a few different varieties floating around.

Kapia Pepper-supposed to be sweet, was very hot.

No Germination:
Alice’s Dream ‘21
Eva Purple Ball ‘18
Green Grape ‘14
Kapidag Red ‘18 (final try)
Striped Sweetheart Dark ‘21