Hello all!

I had a free morning and put together a list of all the micro dwarf varieties I could find and put them into a spreadsheet! It's probably not complete as there's likely varieties in Europe and Japan and elsewhere that I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for. I tried to provide where I found the info provided for each type but got lazy at certain points lol. I also have lots of varieties to look up alternative sources on. If there's no info listed, either I haven't found anything or haven't looked into it yet.

I'm aiming to get as many primary sources as possible to confirm details-things like academic papers from the University of Florida discussing their releases or Bunny Hop Seeds saying which are their own original crosses (or crosses from a friend of theirs).

Anyway, here's the spreadsheet:


Currently looking for a source on a piece of info I see repeated a lot, but cannot find a primary source on: Parentage of Tiny Tim is listed as Window Box X Red Currant. I can see in the "Agricultural research in New Hampshire, 1944, Bulletin, no. 354" that Tiny Tim is released in the same year as Window Box, but it does not say the parentage of either of those varieties.

If anyone has any additional info/resources I'd love to see them!

There is a shop in Quebec that sells quite a few.
https://www.semencesdesartisans.ca/en/c ... s-tomatoes

I see some on Tomatofifou as well.
https://www.tomatofifou.com/?s=micro&post_type=product

and Cultive ta Rue

https://cultivetarue.fr/?s=micro&post_t ... en&lang=en

Deaflora has a few, I think this is the only one you did not have listed already:
https://deaflora.de/Shop/Tomaten/Tomate ... mate-.html

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Any info on Pinocchio and Pinocchio Orange, as to whether they are the same, or different, varieties?

Tormato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:12 pm Any info on Pinocchio and Pinocchio Orange, as to whether they are the same, or different, varieties?

They appear to be separate! One is red and one is orange. https://www.hrseeds.com/search-results?q=pinocchio

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:41 pm There is a shop in Quebec that sells quite a few.
https://www.semencesdesartisans.ca/en/c ... s-tomatoes

I see some on Tomatofifou as well.
https://www.tomatofifou.com/?s=micro&post_type=product

and Cultive ta Rue

https://cultivetarue.fr/?s=micro&post_t ... en&lang=en

Deaflora has a few, I think this is the only one you did not have listed already:
https://deaflora.de/Shop/Tomaten/Tomate ... mate-.html

I've tried to say thanks(!!!) like 3 times and my internet keeps crapping out lol. Thank you! I think I got all the unique varieties from this list added. Brings us to a cool 100 varieties!

jamiethemime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:08 pm
Currently looking for a source on a piece of info I see repeated a lot, but cannot find a primary source on: Parentage of Tiny Tim is listed as Window Box X Red Currant. I can see in the "Agricultural research in New Hampshire, 1944, Bulletin, no. 354" that Tiny Tim is released in the same year as Window Box, but it does not say the parentage of either of those varieties.

If anyone has any additional info/resources I'd love to see them!

Impressive list of Micros!

Not sure if this is the ”primary source” but may still help: https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewconte ... 0tomato%22

WINDOWBOX
Windowbox came from a cross between Dwarf Champion and Redskin. It combines the dwarf stiff plant characteristics of Dwarf Champion with the extreme earliness and de- terminate growth habit of Redskin. The object of making this cross was to try to furnish a tomato which would produce one large cluster of fruit on a plant about the size of a bush-bean plant, early enough so that the seed could be planted in the field under good growing conditions. Windoivhox will do this.

Its name originated during World War II when an invalid who lived in the city asked if there was anything that she could raise in a windowbox to produce food. This tomato was sent to the woman and she successfully raised it. Windowbox tomatoes are of satisfactory slicing size, although they are somewhat smaller than may be desired for the
general market. The variety also has proved satisfactory as an out-of- doors tomato in short seasons. The plants may be set six inches to one foot apart in the row with a distance of three feet between the rows.

TINY TIM
Tiny Tim (shown above) came from a class plant-breeding project. The object was to discover how small a tomato plant that would mature fruit could be produced. A cross was made between Windowbox and Red Currant. Plants were selected for determinate growth habit, dwarfness, small fruits, and small plants. The result was the development of the Tiny Tim variety. This variety can be grown and matured nicely in a SVij-inch pot. It was given the name "Tiny Tim" because it was thought that it might have vahie as an ornamental fruit- producing plant for Christmas deco- ration, competing with the Jerusalem Cherry.

When it is planted in the field, Tiny Tim makes a plant 12 to 24 inches across and bears quantities of cherry-sized, red fruits which may be used whole for salad purposes, if de- sired.

Edit: read the original source, the copy/paste is little messy.

@Pippin I'd definitely call that the primary source! Thanks!

Tormato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:12 pm Any info on Pinocchio and Pinocchio Orange, as to whether they are the same, or different, varieties?

They're definitely different. Pinocchio is red and just okay for flavor. Pinocchio Orange is orange and really good for flavor (as far as indoor tomatoes go). I assume they're related because of the name.

here's a "flow chart" for Tiny Tim pedigree .......

https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/pdf/10.4141/cjps61-049

@jamiethemime you do great things with your spare time! Thank you.

Acer Rubrum wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:58 pm

Tormato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:12 pm Any info on Pinocchio and Pinocchio Orange, as to whether they are the same, or different, varieties?

They're definitely different. Pinocchio is red and just okay for flavor. Pinocchio Orange is orange and really good for flavor (as far as indoor tomatoes go). I assume they're related because of the name.

I had pack a few years ago marked "Pinocchio Orange?". The donor likely received their seeds marked "Pinocchio", but had orange fruit. I sent a few packs out, and marked them as "Pinocchio Orange", dropping the question mark. I'll have to check what I have this year, to see if I need to do some separating.

PNW_D wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:26 pm here's a "flow chart" for Tiny Tim pedigree .......

https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/pdf/10.4141/cjps61-049

TINY TIM PEDIGREE.png

Lol, I thought this was a joke at first. OMG, I need to sit and figure out how to read this thing.

Tormato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:56 pm

Acer Rubrum wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:58 pm

Tormato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:12 pm Any info on Pinocchio and Pinocchio Orange, as to whether they are the same, or different, varieties?

They're definitely different. Pinocchio is red and just okay for flavor. Pinocchio Orange is orange and really good for flavor (as far as indoor tomatoes go). I assume they're related because of the name.

I had pack a few years ago marked "Pinocchio Orange?". The donor likely received their seeds marked "Pinocchio", but had orange fruit. I sent a few packs out, and marked them as "Pinocchio Orange", dropping the question mark. I'll have to check what I have this year, to see if I need to do some separating.

https://merakiseeds.com/pinocchio-tomato
I found Meraki Seeds lists an orange variety as, simply, Pinocchio, probably (at least part of) the source of the confusion.

@jamiethemime , Tormato asked if I had found the micro list and you linked me here so here I am! Here are a few more micros to add to your list and ponder. It looks like your list ended at Dark Stripe so if it went farther down I couldn't see it.

Bonsai
Chibbiko
Fat Frog
Florida Petite
Gartenperle
Groovey Tunes
Hahm's Gelbes Topftomate
Harden's Miniature
House
Inkspot
Jochalos
Lille Lise
Minibel
Mohamed
Monteka
Orange Hat
Pigmy
Red Robin
Rosy Finch
Tiny Tim
Totem
Venus
Vilma
Whippersnapper
Yellow Canary

Spreads are the best way for me to track this and a bunch of other stuff but I'll say up front that I use spreadsheets for everything.

Here's a reference on tomato origins you might can use if you don't already.
https://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cat ... riety_List

Perhaps changing the title to "List of micro varieties" would work better?

GoDawgs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:55 pm @jamiethemime , Tormato asked if I had found the micro list and you linked me here so here I am! Here are a few more micros to add to your list and ponder. It looks like your list ended at Dark Stripe so if it went farther down I couldn't see it.

Bonsai
Chibbiko
Fat Frog
Florida Petite
Gartenperle
Groovey Tunes
Hahm's Gelbes Topftomate
Harden's Miniature
House
Inkspot
Jochalos
Lille Lise
Minibel
Mohamed
Monteka
Orange Hat
Pigmy
Red Robin
Rosy Finch
Tiny Tim
Totem
Venus
Vilma
Whippersnapper
Yellow Canary

Spreads are the best way for me to track this and a bunch of other stuff but I'll say up front that I use spreadsheets for everything.

Here's a reference on tomato origins you might can use if you don't already.
https://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cat ... riety_List

I'm confused because those are all definitely on the list. You should be able to scroll. I'm not sure how to just link to the doc since when I linked, it just embedded itself automatically.

Tormato wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:50 pm Perhaps changing the title to "List of micro varieties" would work better?

I didn't think that far ahead when I made it, it being in the "micro" subforum, seemed redundant to put it in the title. Is there a way to edit the original title?

Forgotten Heirlooms sell quite a few.

https://forgottenheirlooms.com/shop/ols ... icro-dwarf

There were a few I did not see on your list at a quick glance:
Bunny Hop
Krasny Milo
Mini Belle
Orange Russian
Strongboy Yellow
Tina

Maybe it will help you:
Aztek, Bajaja, Vilma and Venus balcony tomatoes were bred by Moravoseed (Czech Republic). If you are interested, I can send the original seeds of these varieties.
https://moravoseed.cz/index.php?stranka ... e=&druh=97
Vladimír