Just made an egg salad sandwich for breakfast/lunch. I like it with just a pinch of celery salt, barely on the taste threshold, a teaspoon of good yellow mustard and only enough mayonnaise to bind it together and no more. Sea Salt and fine ground fresh pepper. White bread. 5 large eggs makes two plus sandwiches. 60 cents on eggs, 40 cents on the bread, 25 cents on mayonnaise, a nickel on mustard and celery salt. Lunch for two for 60 cents each. Not bad.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:33 pm
by bower
Duck soup. Been boiling the remains for days until everything left fell off the bones. Picked out the bones - most of them anyway. Frozen tomatoes, fresh local carrots at the end. Was tempted to use pasta but in the end I went with some pearl barley.
The duck wasn't cheap to begin with, it fed three of us plus one meal of leftovers, and the soup makes another three servings I reckon. So that gets it down to... oh a bit less than $3 a serving. Yikes.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:31 pm
by Tormahto
Bower wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:33 pm
Duck soup. Been boiling the remains for days until everything left fell off the bones. Picked out the bones - most of them anyway. Frozen tomatoes, fresh local carrots at the end. Was tempted to use pasta but in the end I went with some pearl barley.
The duck wasn't cheap to begin with, it fed three of us plus one meal of leftovers, and the soup makes another three servings I reckon. So that gets it down to... oh a bit less than $3 a serving. Yikes.
After that, what's on the menu, Groucho?
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:54 pm
by bower
Actually I looked in the fridge and discovered another lavish portion of sliced duck and vegetables I forgot about, and a goodly amount of leftover rice with some gentle spice and peppers onboard. So I believe there's a fried rice in my imminent future, portion 8 of duck for the win at about $2 a pop.
Not today though. I had a bad night sleepwise, up out of it around 3 am and then a scanty 5 hours at best of my beloved zzz's. So.. treats for me. Got a pack of chicken hearts out of the freezer and big onion is chopped ready to cook up and serve with some of that rice.
I was shopping last week and didn't buy any specials. Got three packs of the chicken hearts about 300 g apiece at $11/kilo which will make two meals a pack with a big onion and some of those great local carrots. They are Chantenays, obviously, and very sweet. That works out to about $1.50 a plate for the meat, even though it is "expensive".
Also bought a salmon chunk which I cut into 3 steaks and fried up - froze the extras for the quick "fish and chips" dinners. However at $12 for the chunk they are the most expensive protein at $4 a plate. Gotta have it though, as long as the fat is white and I have enough money to buy it, will do. Just for reference, the in store butchered salmon round steak is never less than $6 a portion.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:19 am
by karstopography
@Bower Newfoundland has to have great Atlantic Salmon. Is there any wild caught Atlantic Salmon still available up there? I would think Newfoundland might have a viable Salmon fishery, but I don’t know. Seems like I read not too long ago people still travel to Labrador to fish for wild Atlantic Salmon.
Wonder what live “Maine” Lobster runs up there? Here, it is way way up there, approaching $20 a pound for a live one from the tank at HEB. Once in a while pre-Covid, we could get it at about $8/#. I’d watch for the shipments and try to get on one fresh batch that had the lower price. Might have been a once a year deal to have it all lined up.
When I lived in and or travelled to New England, some people I knew had lobster pots off Chatham MA. They had some great harvests in the 1990s and I’d get in on those lobster feasts once in a while. Talk about good. Personally, I liked lobster best steamed and served with melted butter and a little lemon.
I loved all the NE seafood, especially the shellfish, the quahogs, blue mussels, soft shelled clams, briny Cape Cod oysters. Of course, not everyone that lives up there likes seafood.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:47 am
by Tormahto
karstopography wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:19 am
@Bower Newfoundland has to have great Atlantic Salmon. Is there any wild caught Atlantic Salmon still available up there? I would think Newfoundland might have a viable Salmon fishery, but I don’t know. Seems like I read not too long ago people still travel to Labrador to fish for wild Atlantic Salmon.
Wonder what live “Maine” Lobster runs up there? Here, it is way way up there, approaching $20 a pound for a live one from the tank at HEB. Once in a while pre-Covid, we could get it at about $8/#. I’d watch for the shipments and try to get on one fresh batch that had the lower price. Might have been a once a year deal to have it all lined up.
When I lived in and or travelled to New England, some people I knew had lobster pots off Chatham MA. They had some great harvests in the 1990s and I’d get in on those lobster feasts once in a while. Talk about good. Personally, I liked lobster best steamed and served with melted butter and a little lemon.
I loved all the NE seafood, especially the shellfish, the quahogs, blue mussels, soft shelled clams, briny Cape Cod oysters. Of course, not everyone that lives up there likes seafood.
To be a polite NEer, one must say they either like seafood, or when offered say they are allergic. The one exception to the rule is ... bluefish.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:55 am
by bower
@karstopography the salmon I get is Atlantic for sure, but IDK if wild or farmed. There is a recreational salmon fishery here but the fishery for wild salmon is very small or none. All salmon fisheries are closely managed due to the long term damage done to those stocks. We used to get some Arctic Char from Labrador waters, which is more like trout than salmon. There is some sea trout as well but again, very small stocks remaining so not a significant fishery. No other pink fish beats the delicious Atlantic salmon, for me. I am a huge fan of cod as well, but you have to look closely if buying that in the supermarket, so many white fish have been sold as 'cod' but they don't come close to it in taste. Fresh cod is fantastic. There is a food fishery in summer where you can catch your own, but you need a boat for that. Lobster is one of the local fisheries, and Snow Crab has become a big one since the cod moratorium. They are certainly expensive and when you reckon the weight of the shell in a price per kilo, very expensive indeed. I don't crave either of them enough to bother, although lobster is a flavorful treat when you can get it. Shrimp are always available frozen, and sometimes a reasonable price, so I usually have some of that in the freezer. Some are local, some not. Blue Mussels are the real success story for us. They are easily cultivated here just by seeding them on ropes, no extra feeds or chemicals so the product is certified organic, and the one local product that is available here at a reasonable price.
My dad was a marine biologist, so you can guess that we ate every kind of seafood growing up. But I think every Newfoundlander grew up on seafood anyway.
Curiously in my parents' youth they never ate lobster, considering it 'dirty' and a bottom feeder. They used to put them on the gardens!
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:53 am
by worth1
I cut off a small section of the shoulder roast and then sliced it down the middle to make it thinner.
I got 4 of them like this and pounded them out.
Made chicken fried steak.
Cost for 4 was about $3.00
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Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:58 am
by Tormahto
Bower wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:55 am
@karstopography the salmon I get is Atlantic for sure, but IDK if wild or farmed. There is a recreational salmon fishery here but the fishery for wild salmon is very small or none. All salmon fisheries are closely managed due to the long term damage done to those stocks. We used to get some Arctic Char from Labrador waters, which is more like trout than salmon. There is some sea trout as well but again, very small stocks remaining so not a significant fishery. No other pink fish beats the delicious Atlantic salmon, for me. I am a huge fan of cod as well, but you have to look closely if buying that in the supermarket, so many white fish have been sold as 'cod' but they don't come close to it in taste. Fresh cod is fantastic. There is a food fishery in summer where you can catch your own, but you need a boat for that. Lobster is one of the local fisheries, and Snow Crab has become a big one since the cod moratorium. They are certainly expensive and when you reckon the weight of the shell in a price per kilo, very expensive indeed. I don't crave either of them enough to bother, although lobster is a flavorful treat when you can get it. Shrimp are always available frozen, and sometimes a reasonable price, so I usually have some of that in the freezer. Some are local, some not. Blue Mussels are the real success story for us. They are easily cultivated here just by seeding them on ropes, no extra feeds or chemicals so the product is certified organic, and the one local product that is available here at a reasonable price.
My dad was a marine biologist, so you can guess that we ate every kind of seafood growing up. But I think every Newfoundlander grew up on seafood anyway.
Curiously in my parents' youth they never ate lobster, considering it 'dirty' and a bottom feeder. They used to put them on the gardens!
Once your dad was educated to find out that cod are bottom feeders too, that's likely when he started eating lobster?
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:15 am
by worth1
People aren't in the least bit logical when it comes to eating food.
Social prejudice is at the top of the list.
Look how lobster changed from food the feed servants to only the well to do could afford.
People of all classes once ate squirrel.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:52 am
by Tormahto
worth1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:15 am
People aren't in the least bit logical when it comes to eating food.
Social prejudice is at the top of the list.
Look how lobster changed from food the feed servants to only the well to do could afford.
People of all classes once ate squirrel.
Normalcy bias kicks in after the masses see it won't kill them, like with tomatoes.
I could see all classes, that survive, returning to squirrel, raccoon, possum, 'dillo, etc....
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:15 am
by bower
I have a pretty big prejudice against the 'insect powder' they are starting to market as the food of the future. Why? IDK but no interest in trying it, whatsoever.
Maybe as an organic gardener, the inevitable consumption of this or that insect by mistake has made me biased.
Never tasted anything so bitter and nasty as those cabbage butterfly caterpillars... yech!
It's enough to make you work hard to pick the bugs OUT of your dinner.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:24 am
by worth1
@Bower
Not to mention smoking bugs.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:18 pm
by Tormahto
Bower wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:15 am
I have a pretty big prejudice against the 'insect powder' they are starting to market as the food of the future. Why? IDK but no interest in trying it, whatsoever.
Maybe as an organic gardener, the inevitable consumption of this or that insect by mistake has made me biased.
Never tasted anything so bitter and nasty as those cabbage butterfly caterpillars... yech!
It's enough to make you work hard to pick the bugs OUT of your dinner.
Expo 67 Montreal, I ate apple crisp for dessert.
The crisp was baked earth worms. For an 8 year old boy, that was the coolest thing in the world. The food booth selling it back then was promoting insects as the food of the future.
My parents figured that I wouldn't like the shark fin soup (the second coolest thing in the world) that I also wanted, so they didn't buy it.
And please, no one turn this into a religious thread, but John ate locusts and Leviticus 11 lists the insects approved for consumption.
Dipping things in honey can get rid of the bitterness.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:24 pm
by worth1
You can eat a locust but not a catfish.
A carp but not a shrimp.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:04 pm
by Tormahto
worth1 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:24 pm
You can eat a locust but not a catfish.
A carp but not a shrimp.
You could eat a ripsaw catfish, but get them closer to extinction in doing so.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:08 pm
by bower
I've seen chocolate covered ants for sale... no not interested, not even then.
What do you take me for... a woodpecker????!!!
If insects are so easy to raise, great, lots of food for chickens and ducks.
We also went to Expo 67. I remember eating maple fudge. Maple other things too. Maybe maple everything. I remember eating flavored yoghurt (a novelty for us at the time).
Completely missed the wormy piecrust.
I can take some comfort in the fact they were touting bugs as future food in 1967, that's 50 years without any success whatsoever.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:16 pm
by bower
Did you know:
Producing crickets takes just half the amount of feed as you would need for pigs or broiler chickens, to produce the same amount of protein.
Chicken on your plate for a mere twice the feed... https://www.fao.org/edible-insects/en/
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:10 pm
by Tormahto
Bower wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:08 pm
I've seen chocolate covered ants for sale... no not interested, not even then.
What do you take me for... a woodpecker????!!!
If insects are so easy to raise, great, lots of food for chickens and ducks.
We also went to Expo 67. I remember eating maple fudge. Maple other things too. Maybe maple everything. I remember eating flavored yoghurt (a novelty for us at the time).
Completely missed the wormy piecrust.
I can take some comfort in the fact they were touting bugs as future food in 1967, that's 50 years without any success whatsoever.
Normal crust, normal filling, crispy worm topping.
Re: Cheap Eaten
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:55 am
by bower
It turns out that insect protein is still more expensive to produce than conventional farm animals. Not cheap eaten as yet.
It makes perfect sense to me that people would eat the locusts that swarmed and ate their crops. Also whatever foraging was part of the food culture where that occurs in Africa and Asia. But what happens when it becomes a production?
On one hand they say they could be raised on various 'waste streams' from the food industry, but on the other hand, there are quality and safety issues depending on the quality of the feed. Pesticides and heavy metals do build up in the insect system. etc. https://www.fao.org/3/cb4094en/cb4094en.pdf
Meanwhile the description of production facilities sounds like there will be plenty of film set material for a horror movie.
"The insect species must be fast-growing
in easy-to-maintain environmental conditions, can feed on substrates
that are abundant and cheap, they must be able to tolerate high
densities without cannibalism, ..."
IDKY people don't see insects in the same way as other animals. If that description was applied to chickens or pigs, the screaming would begin immediately. It's pretty well guaranteed that industrial insect production for food will be cruel to the core. Not for me, thanks.