2022/2023 variety questions and maybe answers

[WoodSprite]

Nice photo, @HL2601. Thanks for sharing. I think Tormato may be right about the green stripes being from unripe fruits. But it is still interesting how you got very little yellow stripes.

I'd be curious what you get from your seeds, @Toomanytomatoes.

Since I received more tomato varieties (thank you!) than I can probably grow in my remaining lifetime, I'm pulling out the ones that I really wanted and the ones that sound especially interesting to me and will grow them over the next few years. The rest - while they sound delicious but more than I can grow - I am offering to local gardeners to grow with the condition that they share a few fruits from their plant(s) with me at some point during the summer so I can taste them. I may describe the confusion about Coeur Rose Strie De Pessac and ask for multiple people to grow it so we can all compare. I think they'd get a kick out of, too, and also love that it recently came from France. It should be fun!

[Tormato]

Also, at that website, under caracteristics, the color is listed as Red!, Yellow, Zebra, with no mention of green. I'm a bit confused about the red, but many pink tomatoes do get listed as reds.

[WoodSprite]

Anyone know anything about 'Jesse Saylor' tomato? Baggie says it's a huge pink.

I'm getting nothing with Google or TV even with trying different spellings. At TJ I see mamadisalvo submitted it in 2021 MMMM. Are you still here, @mamadisalvo? I don't know who submitted it for 2022.

[Tormato]

Anyone know anything about 'Jesse Saylor' tomato? Baggie says it's a huge pink.

I'm getting nothing with Google or TV even with trying different spellings. At TJ I see mamadisalvo submitted it in 2021 MMMM. Are you still here, @mamadisalvo? I don't know who submitted it for 2022.

With my next dive into the Pink category bucket, I'll look for more info. (likely before the end of the day)

[WoodSprite]

Anyone know anything about 'Jesse Saylor' tomato? Baggie says it's a huge pink.

I'm getting nothing with Google or TV even with trying different spellings. At TJ I see mamadisalvo submitted it in 2021 MMMM. Are you still here, @mamadisalvo? I don't know who submitted it for 2022.

With my next dive into the Pink category bucket, I'll look for more info. (likely before the end of the day)

Thanks. It's one that is in a very thick, slightly larger than average baggie that's labeled in black Sharpie. Whoever packaged like that sent in a lot of varieties that I had never heard of before so it makes me wonder if it's popular outside of the U.S. and is new here.

[WoodSprite]

Sorry for posting so many questions. I'm checking Google, TJ, TV and Tatiana's website (when I can get it to work) and can't find information on the ones I've asked about and figure others can't either.

Anyway. . .

@HL2601 - Can you tell us more about Iva's Purple Rust tomato, please? I see you have it labeled as: NEW RELEASE, Mid., RL, beefsteak, 10-16 oz. Is this one of your creations? Is this a "black" tomato? How would you describe the flavor? Any photos to share?

Thanks.

[Tormato]

Anyone know anything about 'Jesse Saylor' tomato? Baggie says it's a huge pink.

I'm getting nothing with Google or TV even with trying different spellings. At TJ I see mamadisalvo submitted it in 2021 MMMM. Are you still here, @mamadisalvo? I don't know who submitted it for 2022.

With my next dive into the Pink category bucket, I'll look for more info. (likely before the end of the day)

Thanks. It's one that is in a very thick, slightly larger than average baggie that's labeled in black Sharpie. Whoever packaged like that sent in a lot of varieties that I had never heard of before so it makes me wonder if it's popular outside of the U.S. and is new here.

A family heirloom from Kentucky named after the seed saver.

I don't know if the family and the seed saver are one and the same. While I'm not sure, the donor was likely Karol Galbiati (Gabby1), who specializes in Kentucky family heirlooms. It's likely new outside of a holler, or two, in Kentucky.

[Lemonboy]

Anyone know anything about 'Jesse Saylor' tomato? Baggie says it's a huge pink.

I'm getting nothing with Google or TV even with trying different spellings. At TJ I see mamadisalvo submitted it in 2021 MMMM. Are you still here, @mamadisalvo? I don't know who submitted it for 2022.

With my next dive into the Pink category bucket, I'll look for more info. (likely before the end of the day)

Thanks. It's one that is in a very thick, slightly larger than average baggie that's labeled in black Sharpie. Whoever packaged like that sent in a lot of varieties that I had never heard of before so it makes me wonder if it's popular outside of the U.S. and is new here.

Since Jesse Saylor appears to have been a master gardener from Michigan I would speculate that it's either a tomato he developed or one named in his memory. Either way it probably originated in or around Michigan. I can find no mention of the tomato itself though.

[WoodSprite]

Thanks, Tormato & Lemonboy! I really appreciate the information. It sounds great. I think it's wonderful that Gabby1 is getting these family heirlooms into the hands of more people outside of Kentucky.

[WoodSprite]

Eugenia or Evgenia?

I assume this is the same oxheart tomato variety but am finding conflicting information online and on the two packets that I received from MMMM & Ukrainian Swap.

Which spelling is correct? Tatiana's website spells it with a V but most hits at TJ, TV & Google spell it with a U.

Is it pink or red?

Wispy leaves or plain regular leaves?

From Ukraine or Poland? (I think Ukraine but Renaissance Farms says Poland.)

Combining the other information on my two packets, I believe it is: Heart. 85 DTM. 12-22 oz. Indet.

[Toomanymatoes]

Eugenia or Evgenia?

I assume this is the same oxheart tomato variety but am finding conflicting information online and on the two packets that I received from MMMM & Ukrainian Swap.

Which spelling is correct? Tatiana's website spells it with a V but most hits at TJ, TV & Google spell it with a U.

Is it pink or red?

Wispy leaves or plain regular leaves?

From Ukraine or Poland? (I think Ukraine but Renaissance Farms says Poland.)

Combining the other information on my two packets, I believe it is: Heart. 85 DTM. 12-22 oz. Indet.

I imagine it's the same. Eugenia and Evgenia are just spelling alternatives.

My seeds came from Delectation of Tomatoes. Unfortunately there is no information on his site about it.

It likely has wispy leaves. When I label tomatoes, it is just regular or potato (and rugose),but I don't indicate wispy regular. Most oxhearts have wispy leaves, as far as I know.

[Toomanymatoes]

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Picture of my Eugenia tomato plant.

[WoodSprite]

I imagine it's the same. Eugenia and Evgenia are just spelling alternatives.

My seeds came from Delectation of Tomatoes. Unfortunately there is no information on his site about it.

It likely has wispy leaves. When I label tomatoes, it is just regular or potato (and rugose),but I don't indicate wispy regular. Most oxhearts have wispy leaves, as far as I know.

Thanks for the information and photo. I just did another Google search for Evgenia but left out the word tomato and see hits for Eastern European people named Evgenia. That makes me think it's supposed to be Evgenia (since it's an Eastern European variety) but when folks from the U.S. saw it "we" assumed it was a typo and changed it to Eugenia. Kind of like True Colours (from Canada) that U.S. people sometimes incorrectly change to True Colors.

I'll put it down as Evgenia, pink, wispy RL, from Ukraine.

[Tormato]

I imagine it's the same. Eugenia and Evgenia are just spelling alternatives.

My seeds came from Delectation of Tomatoes. Unfortunately there is no information on his site about it.

It likely has wispy leaves. When I label tomatoes, it is just regular or potato (and rugose),but I don't indicate wispy regular. Most oxhearts have wispy leaves, as far as I know.

Thanks for the information and photo. I just did another Google search for Evgenia but left out the word tomato and see hits for Eastern European people named Evgenia. That makes me think it's supposed to be Evgenia (since it's an Eastern European variety) but when folks from the U.S. saw it "we" assumed it was a typo and changed it to Eugenia. Kind of like True Colours (from Canada) that U.S. people sometimes incorrectly change to True Colors.

I'll put it down as Evgenia, pink, wispy RL, from Ukraine.

OhioGardener would likely be the most knowledgeable about the use of u and v.

All I know is that early Cyrillic was like early Latin, 23 letters I think, having a v that could sound like either v or u, and no letter u. Of course, the Cyrillic letters didn't look like a v or a u.

So is the pronunciation EV-genia, or YOU-genia?

[Acer Rubrum]

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Picture of my Eugenia tomato plant.

Thanks for the picture and all the comments about this variety. I got it in the Ukrainian Grow Out and my mom was intrigued by it. She's got it on her grow list for this year so I'll show her all this.

[Toomanymatoes]

I really need to do a better job of documenting what I grow. Normally, I just do a weekly video walk-around for my own records. So, the pics are just screen captures from that - and as a result are not very good.

This photo of my Eugenia plant was from early September. I just returned from a 10 day vacation so my all of my plants were a huge mess.

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[OhioGardener]

Евгения (Evgeniya) is a Russian name. I think the Eugenia comes from Russian language sites trying to translate it back into English which is Eugenia.

Direct transliteration from the GOST 7.79-2000 transliteration table which is correct in the purest sense and I recommend to avoid future confusion and different versions of the same Russian varieties:

Е = E
в = v
г = g
е = e
н = n
и = i
я = ya

Here's a link that I found for a Russian variety called Evgeniya that came up when I searched for both Eugenia and Evgeniya in both Ukrainian and Russian languages with a machine translation below the link:

https://dacha-dacha.ru/sorta/tomat/evgeniya

Variety characteristics: Included in the State Register of the Russian Federation for horticultural plots, home gardens and small farms for outdoor cultivation. Salad and for home canning. Early ripe. The plant is standard, determinate, upright, slightly branched, medium to strongly leafy, 28-30 cm high. The leaf is short, wide, dark green. The inflorescence is simple. The first inflorescence is laid over the 6-7th leaf, the subsequent ones - without separation by the leaf. Peduncle with articulation. The fruit is round, smooth, dense. The color of the immature fruit is light green, mature - red. The number of nests is more than 4. The weight of the fruit is 60-80 g. The taste of fresh fruits is good. The yield of marketable fruits is 7 kg / sq. m. Drought tolerant. Sets fruit well in extreme weather conditions. Resistant to fruit cracking. The value of the variety: early ripeness, high yield, high yield of marketable products, resistance of fruits to cracking, good taste.

Recommended region: All regions Direction of use: canning Ripening period: early (early ripe) Plant type: determinant Growing conditions: horticultural Shape: rounded

Information about the admission of Tomato Evgenia from the Register of the State Variety Commission of the Russian Federation Application for admission No. 38504 , registered 2002-09-12 . Variety Tomato Evgenia is included in the register of approved in 2003 . Approved for use in the regions: All regions . The originator of the variety Tomato Evgenia is: FGBNU `FEDERAL SCIENTIFIC CENTER OF VEGETABLE GROWING` (143080, MOSCOW REGION, ODINTSOVSKY DISTRICT, VNIISSOK, SELECTION STR., D.14)

Источник: https://dacha-dacha.ru/sorta/tomat/evgeniya

I imagine it's the same. Eugenia and Evgenia are just spelling alternatives.

My seeds came from Delectation of Tomatoes. Unfortunately there is no information on his site about it.

It likely has wispy leaves. When I label tomatoes, it is just regular or potato (and rugose),but I don't indicate wispy regular. Most oxhearts have wispy leaves, as far as I know.

Thanks for the information and photo. I just did another Google search for Evgenia but left out the word tomato and see hits for Eastern European people named Evgenia. That makes me think it's supposed to be Evgenia (since it's an Eastern European variety) but when folks from the U.S. saw it "we" assumed it was a typo and changed it to Eugenia. Kind of like True Colours (from Canada) that U.S. people sometimes incorrectly change to True Colors.

I'll put it down as Evgenia, pink, wispy RL, from Ukraine.

OhioGardener would likely be the most knowledgeable about the use of u and v.

All I know is that early Cyrillic was like early Latin, 23 letters I think, having a v that could sound like either v or u, and no letter u. Of course, the Cyrillic letters didn't look like a v or a u.

So is the pronunciation EV-genia, or YOU-genia?

[Tormato]

Thanks Debbie.

As a small, round, red on a determinate plant, Evgeniya is a different tomato than this one being discussed (a mid-sized pink heart on an indeterminate plant). If it were me, I'd keep spelling the heart Eugenia, so as to not confuse it with Evgeniya, which is closer in spelling to Evgenia.

[OhioGardener]

Евгения (Evgeniya) is a Russian name. I think the Eugenia comes from Russian language sites trying to translate it back into English which is Eugenia...

Adding an addendum to this after visiting Tatiana's Tomatobase site because here's another possible frustration I've often run into with E. European varieties...imposters. Tatiana seems to indicate that the results of her grow-out weren't as expected. She also indicates her seed source as tracing to Ruslan Dukhov (aka Doohov). In fact, there's an entire Facebook group dedicated to the unpleasant surprises people received when growing seeds from him. SO... if Tomatobase is the source of the seeds in the swap, they may or may not match the description of the registered variety.

[OhioGardener]

Thanks Debbie.

As a small, round, red on a determinate plant, Evgeniya is a different tomato than this one being discussed (a mid-sized pink heart on an indeterminate plant). If it were me, I'd keep spelling the heart Eugenia, so as to not confuse it with Evgeniya, which is closer in spelling to Evgenia.

In this case, I definitely agree with the different name since it's not the same plant!