2022/2023 variety questions and maybe answers

[Toomanymatoes]

I received Grandma Oliver’s Chocolate.

I have seen conflicting information online - some say it is a dwarf or compact determinate, others that it is a tall indeterminate.

If anyone has grown it, could you advise if it would be suitable for a 5 gallon bucket? Or if It should go in the ground.

Thanks.

It is indeterminate based on the information from the person who developed the cross (Marianna's Heirloom Seeds). I had to go to the Internet Archive to pull up the information.

Grandma Oliver Chocolate
My cross between Grandma Oliver Green and a black tomato. Gorgeous russet-olive-chocolate coloring. Have stabilized it to F5 and I'm excited to be offering it this year!

Description
My cross between Grandma Oliver Green and a black tomato.

Gorgeous russet-olive-chocolate coloring.
Have stabilized it to F5 and I'm excited to be offering it this year! About 12-18 oz.
Indet. 85 days

There appears to be a Dwarf Grandma's Chocolate as well. Which is a cross of Grandma Oliver Chocolate and an unknown dwarf.

[MissTee]

I was hoping to get input from someone who's grown it.

[habitat-gardener]

I grew Grandma Olivers Chocolate about three years ago. I never got to taste it, though. It was by far the favorite variety of the leaf-footed bugs, and it matured later than most varieties — just in time for the bugs to demolish them.

[MissTee]

Ooh that's too bad. Doesn't sound very promising.

[Nan6b]

Anybody know anything about Faberge?

[Tormato]

Anybody know anything about Faberge?

An ebay listing calls it a heirloom from Ukraine, the picture showing a red/gold striped plum.

[Tormato]

I've edited this thread title from 2021 to 2022, since there may be questions about some varieties in last year's swap.

For reference, new questions will start with post #148.

[Moth1992]

Ramallet des Figueral - need DTM, leaf type, shape, tomato type, det or indet.

I cant speak for this particular ramallet variety other than its from Mallorca.

But I can tell you ramallets are a staple in eastern spain. They are trailing, multiflora and the tomatoes are usually golf ball sized. I believe they are indeterminate and usually dry farmed. Once harvested they last for months.

They are not used to eat in salads, they are eaten on bread. The meat is soft and so you can squish it on toasted bread and it comes off the skin almost like a paste. Then put a bit of olive oil, scratch a garlic, add some cured meat if you want, and yum, classic breakfast.

I remember the grandfather of my cousin had a cellar where he would store a bunch of ramallets after the harvest hanging from the ceiling so he had tomatoes for bread all year.

[Moth1992]

I kind find anything on Boggs Yellow, from Carter?

[Tormato]

I kind find anything on Boggs Yellow, from Carter?

Quoted from Karol Galbiati (Gabby1, here, at T'junction)...

"I received Boggs Yellow from a friend of mine that has lived in Kentucky all her life. She is 70. She has grown this tomato for years. She received seeds years ago from an old lady in Carter Co, KY. It's a staple to this day for my friend. I have grown it for two years. It's a huge ribbed slicer, productive, turns almost orange when dead ripe. Delicious. Mid-late. DTM 75-80 days."

Karol's specialty is searching for Kentucky heirlooms, the bigger the better.

[Moth1992]

Thankyou @Tormato !

And do you or anyone have any info on gallego and zamorano (seeds from from 2018)?
Which type of gallego?
I guess zamorano might be a pink beefsteak but could be anything from zamora.



Edit to add: I spent all afternoon populating a spreadsheet, hope you are happy @Tormato

[karstopography]

I planted Leachko German, along with the others listed on the index card from the recently received seeds from the 4M swap. I’m not finding much of anything doing a search on that variety ? Might be a bicolor? Anyone have more information on Leachko German?

[MissS]

@Moth1992 your Gallego may be a shortened name for Rosa Gigante Gallego. Here is a description https://www.delectationoftomatoes.com/s ... llego.html

I have recently seen Zamorano in my searches and almost put it on my want list but I don't remember much about it. I think it may have been a large red but thinking doesn't mean much. I will do a search of the European sites and see if I can find it again.

[Seven Bends]

Thankyou @Tormato !

And do you or anyone have any info on gallego and zamorano (seeds from from 2018)?
Which type of gallego?
I guess zamorano might be a pink beefsteak but could be anything from zamora.

@MrBig46 has posted about Gallego and Zamorano here and at Tville; he has put up info and pictures for them at Tatiana's Tomatobase. Here's a post with links to what he submitted to Tatiana's: post85639.html?hilit=gallego#p85639

[Moth1992]

@MrBig46 has posted about Gallego and Zamorano here and at Tville; he has put up info and pictures for them at Tatiana's Tomatobase. Here's a post with links to what he submitted to Tatiana's: post85639.html?hilit=gallego#p85639

Oooh thankyou!

@MrBig46 are these the ones that made it to the MMMM swap do we know?

@MissS the dificulty with spanish varieties is that 99% of the time they dont have names. They are only "type" from "village".

And types of varieties will be dumped into "type" from "region" categories.

For example Gallego or Zamorano are not varieties, just regions. And each if those regions will have several types and within those, hundreds of varieties each of different villages.

For example that gallego submitted to Tatianas is an unknown variety of
beefsteak red from galicia (and just one of hundreds of gallegos, some of wich are registered varieties, most of wich are not. It almost looks like a relative of the Avoa de Osedo, but who knows.)

Same that Zamorano is an unknown variety of red beefsteak from Zamora.

Would be super useful to know if these are the unknown varieties in the MMMM swap, or if they are others, to narrow it down a bit.

[MrBig46]

Thankyou @Tormato !

And do you or anyone have any info on gallego and zamorano (seeds from from 2018)?
Which type of gallego?
I guess zamorano might be a pink beefsteak but could be anything from zamora.

@MrBig46 has posted about Gallego and Zamorano here and at Tville; he has put up info and pictures for them at Tatiana's Tomatobase. Here's a post with links to what he submitted to Tatiana's: post85639.html?hilit=gallego#p85639

I probably sent the Gallego and Zamorano seeds to MMMM. They are my favorite tomatoes. I have been growing them and keeping their seeds pure since 2014 when I received the seeds from Baikal of Spain (Tomatoville member). I grow them under the names under which I got them. In Spain, it is customary not to grow tomatoes from purchased seeds (commercial varieties are at a minimum), but growers keep the varieties that have proven successful for them by collecting seeds for the next season. That's why so many varieties. I was and still am a member of Tomatoville, which was focused on maintaining and preserving the diversity of plants, especially tomatoes. Both of these tomatoes definitely belong to the Heirloom OP category. They are both red tomatoes, which I have verified. I don't know where and when the Rosa Gigante Gallego tomato appeared, but even in the description it is stated that it is not a pink tomato.
Vladimír

[Moth1992]

Thanks for confirming these are reds @MrBig46 !

Is Baikal still on TV? Maybe they know the village they came from so we can know better the variety. I cant join TV since they closed it to new members like 2 years ago ( groan) and infojardin were most spanish members used to hangout ( including miself decades ago) is about to shut. Sad forums are dying.

[MrBig46]

@MrBig46 has posted about Gallego and Zamorano here and at Tville; he has put up info and pictures for them at Tatiana's Tomatobase. Here's a post with links to what he submitted to Tatiana's: post85639.html?hilit=gallego#p85639

Oooh thankyou!

@MrBig46 are these the ones that made it to the MMMM swap do we know?

@MissS the dificulty with spanish varieties is that 99% of the time they dont have names. They are only "type" from "village".

And types of varieties will be dumped into "type" from "region" categories.

For example Gallego or Zamorano are not varieties, just regions. And each if those regions will have several types and within those, hundreds of varieties each of different villages.

For example that gallego submitted to Tatianas is an unknown variety of
beefsteak red from galicia (and just one of hundreds of gallegos, some of wich are registered varieties, most of wich are not. It almost looks like a relative of the Avoa de Osedo, but who knows.)

Same that Zamorano is an unknown variety of red beefsteak from Zamora.

Would be super useful to know if these are the unknown varieties in the MMMM swap, or if they are others, to narrow it down a bit.

That Zamorano and Gallego are not varieties is a nonsense statement. On the contrary, they fulfill all the conditions that tomato varieties should have, especially they are unique and different from other tomatoes. That their name evokes the name of the area is not a problem. The problem would be if there were other varieties under this name. I don't know what register you are writing about here. I know the EU register of tomato varieties, of course there are no heirloom varieties in it, because it would be difficult for someone to appropriate them and protect them in some way (for financial gain).
Vladimír

[Moth1992]

That Zamorano and Gallego are not varieties is a nonsense statement. On the contrary, they fulfill all the conditions that tomato varieties should have, especially they are unique and different from other tomatoes. That their name evokes the name of the area is not a problem. The problem would be if there were other varieties under this name. I don't know what register you are writing about here. I know the EU register of tomato varieties, of course there are no heirloom varieties in it, because it would be difficult for someone to appropriate them and protect them in some way (for financial gain).
Vladimír

That is not correct. Tomate gallego is the same as saying spanish tomato or french tomato or european tomato. Its not the name of a variety.

There are hundreds of heirloom gallegos of different varieties, and most dont have names, they are known and sometimes registered ( under a denominación de origen) by the village or county they are grown + the color or size or shape.

For example a negro de santiago or an avoa de osuna are varieties of black and red gallegos.

This red tomato is a variety of big red gallego.

[MrBig46]

That Zamorano and Gallego are not varieties is a nonsense statement. On the contrary, they fulfill all the conditions that tomato varieties should have, especially they are unique and different from other tomatoes. That their name evokes the name of the area is not a problem. The problem would be if there were other varieties under this name. I don't know what register you are writing about here. I know the EU register of tomato varieties, of course there are no heirloom varieties in it, because it would be difficult for someone to appropriate them and protect them in some way (for financial gain).
Vladimír

That is not correct. Tomate gallego is the same as saying spanish tomato or french tomato or european tomato. Its not the name of a variety.

There are hundreds of heirloom gallegos of different varieties, and most dont have names, they are known and sometimes registered ( under a denominación de origen) by the village or county they are grown + the color or size or shape.

For example a negro de santiago or an avoa de osuna are varieties of black and red gallegos.

This red tomato is a variety of big red gallego.

Nowhere is it written how many words the name of a tomato variety should consist of. As for the name, the right to give it a name belongs either to the breeder of this tomato or, in the case of heirloom tomatoes, to whoever finds this variety in a village, for example. Whoever found these tomatoes and put their seeds into circulation called them Gallego and Zamorano. He also decided that no other tomato could be called that. It is not true that you cannot use the name of the region as a name, for example, Czech bush, Russian black, Blak Krim, etc.
Comparing Negro de Santiago to Gallego is completely off the mark. They don't look alike at all. Negro de Santiago is a beautiful tomato that I also grew and photographed in 2017, but at the end of the year my computer crashed and I lost all the photos, which I regret to this day.
I don't want to promote the Tomatoville forum here, but it's a shame you can't log in there. Questions about the names of tomatoes were quite often solved there, even with the participation of many who switched to this forum (Tomatojunction). For me, it is such a fountain of knowledge, just like Tatian's TOMATObase.
Vladimír